Cheyenne Jackson is a busy guy. When heās not filming one of the many roles that he has in different shows, Cheyenne is spending time with his husband of six years, Jason Landau, and being a dad to twins, Willow and Ethan, who Cheyenne told me were being āextra four-years-oldā that day and they had gone down for a nap right before our interview.
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Jackson not only is playing Caleb Covington in the Netflix series, Julie and the Phantoms but also has a role in the HBO Max docuseries Equal, which chronicles the birth of the LGBTQ rights movement during the 20th century.Ā Jackson along with many LGBTQ actors including Anthony Rapp (who was interviewed by one of my colleagues), Hailie Sahar,Ā Isis King,Ā Jamie Clayton,Ā Keiynan Lonsdale,Ā Samira Wiley,Ā Sara Gilbert, andĀ Shannon Purser.
We talked about his role in Equal and his upcoming roles including his new series, Call Me Kat as well as a role he is trying to manifest among many other things.
Gerald Biggerstaff: Itās looking like a busy year for you when it comes to the roles youāre doing: Julie and the Phantoms, Equal, the new Saved by the Bell, and Call Me Kat.
Cheyenne Jackson: Yeah, itās been, in spite of the global pandemic, pretty steadily busy, thank goodness. Some things were filmed prior and had to stop halfway through and then we picked up.Ā We started Call Me Kat after. So, itās a whole new world but I feel really fortunate to be working when so many of my friends and colleagues are struggling.Ā Itās just a tough time.
In Equal, you play Dale Jennings, one of the founding members of the Mattachine Society and Editor in Chief of the first magazine focused on gay men, One Magazine.Ā How did you come upon getting the role of Jennings in this docuseries?
In a very nontraditional way. Actually, I was shooting a movie in the Catskills last winter.Ā So we were up in the middle of nowhere and one of my costars in the movie was up for this.Ā We were sitting around on set and he was reading his sides and talking about it. And I said, āWhat is that? That sounds really interesting.ā He said, āOh, itās this thing on HBO Maxā¦ Greg Berlanti and Jim Parsons.ā I was like āWow, thereās got to be something in there for me.ā Sometimes actors can be territorial but heās wonderful and he was like āHereās the information. You should have them call your agent.ā So I did. I said, āI heard about this project.Ā I love the idea of the whole construct and highlighting people that have made a significant difference in the LGBTQ community, but we donāt necessarily know their names. So see what you can do.ā Then, thatās how it happened and the director he insisted I was at the top of the list for this role. Though thatās his story. (laughs) Iām going to just take his word for that, but I hadnāt heard anything about it, so it worked out.
How much did you know about Jennings before filming?
I didnāt know anything, and I know my fair amount of my gay history. Iām a pretty well-read person and I think the fact that I didnāt know. I mean Iāve heard of Mattachine and Iāve heard of Harry Hay, but I hadnāt heard of him (Jennings) and so that was one of the things that was the impetus because I thought the fact that I had never even heard of this person. There was significant things that he did and founded and started. Thatās exactly the reason why I need to do it.
How different was it shooting Equal compared to Julie and the Phantoms or 30 Rock?
I was a little weary of the whole idea of a docuseries that was reenactments based on transcripts and also real footage because it can go one of two ways, you know, reenactments often, the ones that Iāve seen, are not that convincing and it just takes you out of it when you see somebody kind of reenacting what we are hearing or reading actually happened. But then when I met with the director and I met with the cinematographer and I saw it was going to be very visual and that there was going to be a lot of projections and a lot of it was really going to come down to the editing, how the real footage and the real archival information that they had intercut with what we were doing. It was just explained to me that it would work so, I just took a leap of faith and it was an interesting experience just because there was long periods of shooting but there was no dialogue in the moment.Ā It was a lot of voiceover, but we were at the Disney Ranch way out in the middle of nowhere shooting, you know, I was walking around being tailed by the cop. In the cop car. It was very montagey. It was very dreamy.Ā Because itās nonlinear, itās very poetic in the way that itās shot, and I think to great effect.
In your interview with Metro Weekly, you talked about shooting episodes of the new Saved By the Bell series, what is the role you are playing?
I play Elizabeth Berkleyās husband and itās really fun. Tracey Wigfield, who was one of the producers of 30 Rock, our paths crossed back in the day and sheās just done a really clever take on Saved by the Bell, (the original was) silly and a little cheesy and multi-cam and now itās single-cam and itās really fast. And thereās this whole new crop of younger actors but then with the classic (actors) with Elizabeth and Mario (Lopez) and Mark (-Paul Gosselaar) and everybody.Ā It was really fun. Iām the exact same age as all of them so growing up, they were all on my TV, and there I was with them. Itās always a surreal thing when that gets to happen.
I can imagine.
Yeah. I just did some ADR (automated dialog replacement) for it today (Friday, October 23) so I got to see a little bit of it. Itās really funny. I think people will really like it. It kind of sends up in a loving way the original but also says something new which hopefully comedy manages to do.
There is LGBTQ representation on the new Saved by the Bell, right?
Yeah, thatās correct. Thereās going to something for everyone to grasp on to and to see themselves in.
I saw that you had mentioned you knew Elizabeth Berkley before doing this. Were there any other cast members that you knew before this or had you just met them for the first time?
No, I mean, I think I met Mario Lopez briefly years ago maybe on a (red) carpet or something. No, Elizabeth was the only one that I knew, and I met her in New York once maybe, 15 years ago. She could not have been sweeter and then she came to a reading of Xanadu I did with Jane Krakowski and we just kind of remained friendly over the years. Sheās just one of the sweetest people youāll ever meet and sheās really funny in this. I think people are really going to dig it.
Over the course of your career, what is the best advice someone gave you?
The first thing that comes to mind is because I always get nervous right before a show or right before a big scene, you know regular showbiz nerves, and I remember when I was doing a Broadway play and Tony Roberts was my co-star and heās in his 70s and heās done a million things and Woody Allen movies. I said, āTony, do you get nervous still?ā and he said, āEvery time. Thatās a good thing because if you donāt get nervous anymore it means you donāt care. So I use those nerves. I think I definitely tend to be somebody that really has anxiety bubbling for big things like that. So I always use that.ā He said I was to use it and to kind of covet it and savor it because itās energy. It also makes things feel less alone.
Earlier today, I was listening to your album, Renaissance. I loved it.
Well, thanks!
Any plans on recording a new album any time soon?
No. Right now Iām always writing music. Working on Julie and the Phantoms, I met some amazing songwriters so a few of them and I have started to collaborate on a few things, but I think thatās going to be more for selling those songs to be in other things and that might be a next new chapter for me because I really like songwriting and I think Iām pretty decent at it so I think going to keep pursuing that. As far as something for my own stuff, no I mean I released a little EP, I think last year, for my kids and my dad who passed.Ā Iām just really going to focus on this new show that I have and then once weāre out of this global pandemic, who knows when that will be, start some concert work and stuff again. But no plans for an album as of yet. Iām sure I will at some point.
Speaking of your new show, Call Me Kat, what is your role on the show?
I play a guy named Max, who is Mayim Bialikās- we used to be friends in college, and she had a crush on me but never really told me and Iām back in town now. Iāve come back to my hometown and Iām working at the bar right next to her Kat CafĆ© and we reconnect. Itās just a really wonderful, lovely, funny, sad, sweet show. Itās all those things. Itās based on this really wonderful show called Miranda on the BBC and it really just kind of asks the question: āCan you not have it all but still be happy?ā Mayim, listen I loved Mayim for years. In this role, sheās so unbelievably dynamic and delicious. Like she has all the colors in the crayon box and people are gonna just absolutely love her. I feel in love instantly and the cast is wonderful: Leslie Jordan, Kyla Pratt, Swoosie Kurtz, I mean, goddess. Weāre having a great, great time.
Are there any roles that you are wanting to play that you havenāt so far?
Nothing that comes to mind specifically, but I am kind of manifesting I want to play some kind of superhero. I got to kind of do that last year in the Watchmen. I had a small, but I think pretty important part in the Watchmen and as a child, you have this fantasy of playing a superhero and I know that my kids kind of see me as that and I donāt know, Iām just putting it out there. I think it would be really fun to play some kind of flawed middle-aged superhero so thatās what I say.
Well, thereās plenty of those characters out there, thatās for sure.
Thatās what Iām thinking.
You can see Cheyenne in Equal, which is available now HBO Max and Julie and Phantoms on Netflix.Ā The new Saved by the Bell is streaming on Peacock, NBCUniversalās streaming service, starting November 25th,Ā and Call Me Kat is slated for midseason on Fox.
Sources: IMDB, Frame.io, HBO Max, Netflix, Peacock, Cheyenne Jackson Official Instagram Page
